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		<title>By: stepherz</title>
		<link>http://stepherz.com/2008/04/30/oh-this-is-a-long-one/#comment-6085</link>
		<dc:creator>stepherz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 22:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://stepherz.com/2008/04/30/oh-this-is-a-long-one/#comment-6085</guid>
		<description>Thanks for listening to my rant, everyone. I know you're all tired of hearing it. :-)

Chanda, maybe we'll move back one of these days and I'll take you up on that BBQ!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for listening to my rant, everyone. I know you&#8217;re all tired of hearing it. <img src='http://stepherz.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Chanda, maybe we&#8217;ll move back one of these days and I&#8217;ll take you up on that BBQ!</p>
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		<title>By: Chanda</title>
		<link>http://stepherz.com/2008/04/30/oh-this-is-a-long-one/#comment-6084</link>
		<dc:creator>Chanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 20:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://stepherz.com/2008/04/30/oh-this-is-a-long-one/#comment-6084</guid>
		<description>I like the mom of three's advice. Surround yourself with the people that love you and your children.  I think you know what would happen if you tried to, AGAIN, include your MIl in your life.  As long as you know what you are in forthere shouldn't be any surprises or let down when she disappoints you, again...I am so sorry we don't live closer. I know we would have some awesome back yard BBQ's!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the mom of three&#8217;s advice. Surround yourself with the people that love you and your children.  I think you know what would happen if you tried to, AGAIN, include your MIl in your life.  As long as you know what you are in forthere shouldn&#8217;t be any surprises or let down when she disappoints you, again&#8230;I am so sorry we don&#8217;t live closer. I know we would have some awesome back yard BBQ&#8217;s!!</p>
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		<title>By: Deana</title>
		<link>http://stepherz.com/2008/04/30/oh-this-is-a-long-one/#comment-6076</link>
		<dc:creator>Deana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 14:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://stepherz.com/2008/04/30/oh-this-is-a-long-one/#comment-6076</guid>
		<description>I feel for you.  I know how blessed I am to have so many family members around and we all get along.  There is drama in almost every other family I know.  I don't know how we are so fortunate.  The kids are with my mom and dad constantly...in a good way.  And we plan lots of family outings which I think has been key to how happy I am in life.  I hope it never changes but I do hope things will change with you guys.  It is so sad when people like your mother in law can't take all the love and good and let the bad stuff go.  Some people just can't keep their mouths shut no matter how much they could help the family and I think that is so selfish.  You have such great kids too.  They deserve only the best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel for you.  I know how blessed I am to have so many family members around and we all get along.  There is drama in almost every other family I know.  I don&#8217;t know how we are so fortunate.  The kids are with my mom and dad constantly&#8230;in a good way.  And we plan lots of family outings which I think has been key to how happy I am in life.  I hope it never changes but I do hope things will change with you guys.  It is so sad when people like your mother in law can&#8217;t take all the love and good and let the bad stuff go.  Some people just can&#8217;t keep their mouths shut no matter how much they could help the family and I think that is so selfish.  You have such great kids too.  They deserve only the best.</p>
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		<title>By: An Alabama Grandmother</title>
		<link>http://stepherz.com/2008/04/30/oh-this-is-a-long-one/#comment-6070</link>
		<dc:creator>An Alabama Grandmother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 21:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://stepherz.com/2008/04/30/oh-this-is-a-long-one/#comment-6070</guid>
		<description>Sure we can Steph, I can tell from reading your blog how you adore your husband and children.
Martha.. Ala Grandmother</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure we can Steph, I can tell from reading your blog how you adore your husband and children.<br />
Martha.. Ala Grandmother</p>
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		<title>By: darlene</title>
		<link>http://stepherz.com/2008/04/30/oh-this-is-a-long-one/#comment-6069</link>
		<dc:creator>darlene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 19:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://stepherz.com/2008/04/30/oh-this-is-a-long-one/#comment-6069</guid>
		<description>i am feeling so grateful for my family and my husband's family, so very grateful ...

enjoy the sunshine :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i am feeling so grateful for my family and my husband&#8217;s family, so very grateful &#8230;</p>
<p>enjoy the sunshine <img src='http://stepherz.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: stepherz</title>
		<link>http://stepherz.com/2008/04/30/oh-this-is-a-long-one/#comment-6065</link>
		<dc:creator>stepherz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 12:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://stepherz.com/2008/04/30/oh-this-is-a-long-one/#comment-6065</guid>
		<description>I wish I could adopt you, Martha! Can we do a cyber grandma adoption?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish I could adopt you, Martha! Can we do a cyber grandma adoption?</p>
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		<title>By: An Alabama Grandmother</title>
		<link>http://stepherz.com/2008/04/30/oh-this-is-a-long-one/#comment-6064</link>
		<dc:creator>An Alabama Grandmother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 11:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://stepherz.com/2008/04/30/oh-this-is-a-long-one/#comment-6064</guid>
		<description>Hi Steph, you broke my heart. I wish you lived close to me, I can tell you and your hubby are great parents who adore each other and your children. I've had 2 daughter in laws who are precious. Yes, I love the ex DIL.She bore my first grandchild.When she remarried she said she wished she could take me into her marriage. wow
My DIL now is so wonderful, she gave me my first granddaughter yesterday at 4 pm. She weighed 7 lb 5 oz.
She has a 6 yr. old from a previous marriage who I love and who calls me Grandmother. I will treat my grans all the same.. just love-love them.I have no money but I've got lots of love, hugs and kisses and cookies.
Hugs to you
Martha.. proud Ala Grandmother</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Steph, you broke my heart. I wish you lived close to me, I can tell you and your hubby are great parents who adore each other and your children. I&#8217;ve had 2 daughter in laws who are precious. Yes, I love the ex DIL.She bore my first grandchild.When she remarried she said she wished she could take me into her marriage. wow<br />
My DIL now is so wonderful, she gave me my first granddaughter yesterday at 4 pm. She weighed 7 lb 5 oz.<br />
She has a 6 yr. old from a previous marriage who I love and who calls me Grandmother. I will treat my grans all the same.. just love-love them.I have no money but I&#8217;ve got lots of love, hugs and kisses and cookies.<br />
Hugs to you<br />
Martha.. proud Ala Grandmother</p>
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		<title>By: stepherz</title>
		<link>http://stepherz.com/2008/04/30/oh-this-is-a-long-one/#comment-6063</link>
		<dc:creator>stepherz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 05:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://stepherz.com/2008/04/30/oh-this-is-a-long-one/#comment-6063</guid>
		<description>MOT, you are so right on. I had chill bumps reading your reply because it's just so, so right on! You are so right about just accepting that things are what they are, and I can't change it, and to be thankful for those relationship we DO have and for those that DO love our children. I really love your insight, and I'm so thankful for your input. Thank you, thank you. And somehow it's comforting knowing that someone else has a similar situation. Not that I wish it on anyone, but just hearing some insight from someone else who has experienced it, is experiencing it... Thank you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MOT, you are so right on. I had chill bumps reading your reply because it&#8217;s just so, so right on! You are so right about just accepting that things are what they are, and I can&#8217;t change it, and to be thankful for those relationship we DO have and for those that DO love our children. I really love your insight, and I&#8217;m so thankful for your input. Thank you, thank you. And somehow it&#8217;s comforting knowing that someone else has a similar situation. Not that I wish it on anyone, but just hearing some insight from someone else who has experienced it, is experiencing it&#8230; Thank you!</p>
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		<title>By: Mom of Three</title>
		<link>http://stepherz.com/2008/04/30/oh-this-is-a-long-one/#comment-6062</link>
		<dc:creator>Mom of Three</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 04:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://stepherz.com/2008/04/30/oh-this-is-a-long-one/#comment-6062</guid>
		<description>Wow. You could be me. Wow.

First of all, let me say that my husband and I both come from dysfunctional families of the top echelon. I haven’t spoken to my mother in months because I dared to stick up for my sister, whom she has treated like the utmost garbage for years—totally unwarranted.

My mother has always had mental and anger issues, and my father is very passive. 

My husband and I met in and married in Butte County, just a short distance from his parents and mine. I made so much effort to see them a lot, to make them a regular part of our lives. When my eldest was born, we tried even harder. But something is fundamentally wrong with my mom and it prevents her from having mature, deep relationships with anyone. Why should my sister or I be special?

When the economy, for us, started to go bad, my husband and I decided that we needed to strike out in another state. There WERE other places to live than California, after all! So, we made up our mind, sold our house (at the top of the market, thank God), and moved to a rental to await hubby’s eventual new job in Oregon. I was also pregnant with Little Man. These were the five months that we would be living nearby with two granddaughters. Then, my mother got all twisted about some perceived slight. She cut off all communication until I apologized (for what, I still don’t know, but she’s that way). So there we sat, within arm’s reach and nothing. They even delivered my daughters’ Christmas presents through a third party!

Hubby’s parents seem saner, but it’s not much different in practice. His mom is very manipulative, but sweet as sugar to your face. She loves to dish behind our backs, though. I know this because of the severity in which she dished about my sister-in-law to me. 

Both sets of grandparents send gifts and cards to the kids, but nobody calls—my kids have to call them. For both sets, we have to make the effort. I will say, his parents did visit twice. It was pleasant the first time, the second time his father was pissed the whole time because he’d have rather visited his brother in Arkansas. My parents came up for my 40th birthday party because my sister paid all transportation and hotel (the nicest one in town). Yes, this is the same sister that my mom never appreciates. That was a fun time, also.

But I had this nightmare one night that the grandparents tried to steal custody, after watching this Dr. Phil about a grandmother who did that, and then proceeded to badmouth the mom to her grandson every time she had him. But when I woke up, something occurred to me: We couldn’t do a better job of keeping the grandkids from the grandparents if we changed our names and moved to another country. 

I think it’s just that I figure you have to treasure these times, and I have to face the fact that these things are simply not important to my parents or his parents. It’s like they do what they think they should and no more. They are all so self-focused. My parents both work in a funeral home and you’d think the dead people are complaining if they don’t show up every single day. They’re SO indispensible to the corpses, but in never occurs to them that their grandkids might want to know them.

My mother-in-law, I don’t know whether she loves or hates me. You just wouldn’t know. We are very cordial in the same space, but it’s never very deep. 

So, I decided after that five month episode that we were going to have to find grandparents for the kids. Believe it or not, there are tons of willing older people out there. We became friends with a woman who owns a restaurant, and if the kids need hugs and spoiling, we go there, and she fills their pockets with candy and picks them up and swings them around, planting kisses on their cheeks the entire time.

My sister has lucked into the parents of her oldest friend. Her friend never had kids, but Mr. and Mrs. T have become their grandparents. They watch them while my sister goes to Vegas with her husband for a weekend and they are at EVERY Thanksgiving, Christmas, and so on. They call them Grandma and Grandpa T, and my parents have the audacity to rake my sister over the coals because they call them that.

So, we’re trying to fill their lives just with people that love them. Our old next door neighbors are like grandparents to them as well. They adore Gene and Kathleen. So my advice would be to fill their lives with people who love them. As far as your relationship with her? Sometimes it’s not a match. But she is too obtuse to realize that YOU are the most important woman in her son’s life now. I never understood mothers that don’t get that. Your neighbor clearly gets it. For her to behave that way toward her daughter-in-law only ensures much more time with her grandkids. I hate to say it, but it’s currency. I don’t want to use my kid in any sense of the word, but I can’t let them go stay with either set, because I know how self-absorbed they are, and how low their tolerances are for doing extra work, which kids are, no matter how delightful. 

So, I feel for you, but take my advice. Your time and emotions will be better spent on those who give a damn, not beating your head against the wall. If your husband wants more, then he’ll let you know. But your core family is the most important, and you can’t send your kids anywhere where they will be poisoned against you.

My heart really goes out to you, you have no idea how similar your story sounds to mine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. You could be me. Wow.</p>
<p>First of all, let me say that my husband and I both come from dysfunctional families of the top echelon. I haven’t spoken to my mother in months because I dared to stick up for my sister, whom she has treated like the utmost garbage for years—totally unwarranted.</p>
<p>My mother has always had mental and anger issues, and my father is very passive. </p>
<p>My husband and I met in and married in Butte County, just a short distance from his parents and mine. I made so much effort to see them a lot, to make them a regular part of our lives. When my eldest was born, we tried even harder. But something is fundamentally wrong with my mom and it prevents her from having mature, deep relationships with anyone. Why should my sister or I be special?</p>
<p>When the economy, for us, started to go bad, my husband and I decided that we needed to strike out in another state. There WERE other places to live than California, after all! So, we made up our mind, sold our house (at the top of the market, thank God), and moved to a rental to await hubby’s eventual new job in Oregon. I was also pregnant with Little Man. These were the five months that we would be living nearby with two granddaughters. Then, my mother got all twisted about some perceived slight. She cut off all communication until I apologized (for what, I still don’t know, but she’s that way). So there we sat, within arm’s reach and nothing. They even delivered my daughters’ Christmas presents through a third party!</p>
<p>Hubby’s parents seem saner, but it’s not much different in practice. His mom is very manipulative, but sweet as sugar to your face. She loves to dish behind our backs, though. I know this because of the severity in which she dished about my sister-in-law to me. </p>
<p>Both sets of grandparents send gifts and cards to the kids, but nobody calls—my kids have to call them. For both sets, we have to make the effort. I will say, his parents did visit twice. It was pleasant the first time, the second time his father was pissed the whole time because he’d have rather visited his brother in Arkansas. My parents came up for my 40th birthday party because my sister paid all transportation and hotel (the nicest one in town). Yes, this is the same sister that my mom never appreciates. That was a fun time, also.</p>
<p>But I had this nightmare one night that the grandparents tried to steal custody, after watching this Dr. Phil about a grandmother who did that, and then proceeded to badmouth the mom to her grandson every time she had him. But when I woke up, something occurred to me: We couldn’t do a better job of keeping the grandkids from the grandparents if we changed our names and moved to another country. </p>
<p>I think it’s just that I figure you have to treasure these times, and I have to face the fact that these things are simply not important to my parents or his parents. It’s like they do what they think they should and no more. They are all so self-focused. My parents both work in a funeral home and you’d think the dead people are complaining if they don’t show up every single day. They’re SO indispensible to the corpses, but in never occurs to them that their grandkids might want to know them.</p>
<p>My mother-in-law, I don’t know whether she loves or hates me. You just wouldn’t know. We are very cordial in the same space, but it’s never very deep. </p>
<p>So, I decided after that five month episode that we were going to have to find grandparents for the kids. Believe it or not, there are tons of willing older people out there. We became friends with a woman who owns a restaurant, and if the kids need hugs and spoiling, we go there, and she fills their pockets with candy and picks them up and swings them around, planting kisses on their cheeks the entire time.</p>
<p>My sister has lucked into the parents of her oldest friend. Her friend never had kids, but Mr. and Mrs. T have become their grandparents. They watch them while my sister goes to Vegas with her husband for a weekend and they are at EVERY Thanksgiving, Christmas, and so on. They call them Grandma and Grandpa T, and my parents have the audacity to rake my sister over the coals because they call them that.</p>
<p>So, we’re trying to fill their lives just with people that love them. Our old next door neighbors are like grandparents to them as well. They adore Gene and Kathleen. So my advice would be to fill their lives with people who love them. As far as your relationship with her? Sometimes it’s not a match. But she is too obtuse to realize that YOU are the most important woman in her son’s life now. I never understood mothers that don’t get that. Your neighbor clearly gets it. For her to behave that way toward her daughter-in-law only ensures much more time with her grandkids. I hate to say it, but it’s currency. I don’t want to use my kid in any sense of the word, but I can’t let them go stay with either set, because I know how self-absorbed they are, and how low their tolerances are for doing extra work, which kids are, no matter how delightful. </p>
<p>So, I feel for you, but take my advice. Your time and emotions will be better spent on those who give a damn, not beating your head against the wall. If your husband wants more, then he’ll let you know. But your core family is the most important, and you can’t send your kids anywhere where they will be poisoned against you.</p>
<p>My heart really goes out to you, you have no idea how similar your story sounds to mine.</p>
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		<title>By: Sophia</title>
		<link>http://stepherz.com/2008/04/30/oh-this-is-a-long-one/#comment-6061</link>
		<dc:creator>Sophia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 03:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://stepherz.com/2008/04/30/oh-this-is-a-long-one/#comment-6061</guid>
		<description>A good read Steph.  I had tons of advice for you along the way until I got to the end.  Now I got nothin'.  Big hug for ya.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A good read Steph.  I had tons of advice for you along the way until I got to the end.  Now I got nothin&#8217;.  Big hug for ya.</p>
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